We welcomed the contribution of our insightful and compassionate colleague, Chris Pachel, to the unscripted episode #2! So many dog behavior professionals reached out to us after the release of the first conversation (with Kathy Murphy, Andrew Hale, and Kim Brophey), to share how powerfully the talk had impacted them or how much they resonated with our discussion. We had hit a lovely little nerve in the industry, and people clearly were ready for more, and to get involved themselves. Chris has been a thought leader and passionate advocate for the evolution in the field of canine behavior and training for years, and was a perfect choice as our first guest as we peeled back the next layer of the onion in going beyond the operant lens of behavior. Here, we dig into all kinds of practical (as well as further philosophical) implications in our work as behavioral wellness practitioners and advocates – from both the dog and human perspectives. Chris’s characteristically unique skillset in meeting the human end of the relationships with pragmatic empathy contributes powerfully to this evolution in the industry, which is well underway! To all students of animal behavior, this conversation will stretch your thinking, attitudes, and practices in important ways.